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Doncaster Conspiracy

  1. My train from London to York died in Doncaster. Fortunately, it developed its fault while we were in the station. But we still all had to vacate the train and decamp to one which came not long after and onto which we were urged, standing-room only and jam-packed. Except, of course, many people then found they had invalid tickets, since the new train was Cross Country and the original one East Coast.

  2. The next day, I met up with two historians of science on a bus in York city center. They had meant to arrive an hour or two earlier and have time to see the Minster, but their train had died just outside Doncaster, and it was half-an-hour of waiting before they could be pushed into Doncaster station and catch a different train.

  3. Today's train from York to London died in Doncaster. Fortunately, the train which came 20 minutes later had some seats left. It's really just as well I wasn't stuck standing since tracks at Grantham were closed and we rerouted via Lincoln. It took hours; but I'd known in advance it was a hazard of traveling today.


I am disgruntled with trains in Doncaster right now. But I did see Lincoln Cathedral today, albeit from the train.

While in York, I stayed in a house well-stocked in books for young children. One of my hosts was shocked I had never read Meg and Mog. Or Pants! I have now, but he still hasn't read Pat the Bunny or Goodnight Moon.

I read some other books too. Apropos of the first line in Pointy-Hatted Princesses, I have a question for you:

Do "Maud" and "bored" rhyme?

Yes, "Maud" rhymes with "bored".
37(50.7%)
No, "Maud" does not rhyme with "bored'.
36(49.3%)

Comments

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celandineb
Oct. 29th, 2011 09:07 pm (UTC)
"Maud" does rhyme with "bawd", however...

ETA: I honestly cannot comprehend how "Maud" and "bored" can rhyme. "Bored" has an R in it, after all, and even the vowel sounds are different (as I have always heard either word). Clearly I am insufficiently familiar with certain dialect accents.

Edited at 2011-10-29 11:12 pm (UTC)
abigailb
Oct. 30th, 2011 01:15 am (UTC)
I was a teenager before I realised that for some people the <r> wasn't just a length marker. I might even pronounce it, I just don't perceive it it.
heleninwales
Oct. 30th, 2011 02:04 pm (UTC)
Being British, I don't sound the "r" in "bored". As you say, it's just a length marker in my dialect. But though they are near rhymes when I say them, "Maud" and "bored" had different vowel sounds.
abigailb
Oct. 30th, 2011 02:17 pm (UTC)
What about <moored>?
heleninwales
Oct. 30th, 2011 03:33 pm (UTC)
For me (born and raised in the North West of England), "moored" and "bored" would be a true rhyme, while "Maud" and "moored" are subtly different. Well I can hear the difference anyway!

The way I say it, "Maud" rhymes with "awed".
tanglewitch
Oct. 31st, 2011 07:49 pm (UTC)
I'm with you - I was reading all the comments and thought it was just me that thought they rhymed - and I was born and brought up in Cheshire - it must be the north west accents!
gillo
Oct. 29th, 2011 09:44 pm (UTC)
Doncaster can have a disturbing effect on people.

Is this the first time you've seen Lincoln Cathedral? It is well worth the trip, as Michelin would say, and bits of the rest of the city are fabulous too.

That is a ridiculous route from York to London. Whyowhy do the railway companies assume it doesn't matter what they do to people travelling at weekends?

I have just given a set of Meg and Mog to a two-year-old for her birthday. They are fabulous. What is this Pat the Bunny of which you write, however?
sushidog
Oct. 29th, 2011 10:46 pm (UTC)
Maud and bored only rhyme in non-rhotic accents (which mine is).
owlfish
Oct. 30th, 2011 10:45 am (UTC)
Oddly enough, this became poll-worthy because I had assumed that it *did* rhyme in non-rhotic accents, but my hosts - native English both, although one has one American parent - absolutely couldn't see it it. Indeed, the NW-raised one suggested that, it being the first line of the poem, it was, perhaps, an exception to the pattern of the rest of the book.

I had thought rhoticism in English English was limited to around Bristol, but clearly not, from this map! (I know, I could listen for myself, but I don't, by default, remember to do so. My hear for accents is really shoddy.)
owlfish
Oct. 30th, 2011 10:47 am (UTC)
Also, it's not just the -r- but the way the vowels are pronounced as well which determines whether or not it rhymes. For me, the vowels aren't parelleled either.
sushidog
Oct. 30th, 2011 10:55 am (UTC)
Yes, I thought that might be the care, but I'm struggling to figure out how they might be different. Have you played with this site?
gillpolack
Oct. 29th, 2011 11:12 pm (UTC)
I'd love to see a breakdown of the poll by region!
maxineofarc
Oct. 30th, 2011 01:49 am (UTC)
I'm from New England, R's are a thing. :)
bohemiancoast
Oct. 30th, 2011 02:17 am (UTC)
Snowflake! Maud and bored don't *exactly* rhyme, but are close enough for the purpose of lines in a picture book. Pointy-hatted princesses was one of M's favourites. Back in the day.
lady_schrapnell
Oct. 30th, 2011 08:46 am (UTC)
I'm dying to ring all my non-Irish, non-US friends right now to get them to say how bored/baud they are!
hairyears
Oct. 30th, 2011 08:56 am (UTC)
Arhotic Poetry
I would use it as a rhyme in a limerick, and probably will: bored bawd called maud has... Possibilities.

This is not quite the same as saying that the words in question rhyme properly or accurately.
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