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Within vs. Inside vs Inside of

Which of the following might you use? An event happens...

Inside the first five lines of the poem
Inside of the first five lines of the poem
Within the first five lines of the poem



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May. 13th, 2011 05:17 pm (UTC)
I'd be more inclined to say "in the first five lines of the poem".
May. 13th, 2011 05:24 pm (UTC)
That was a major omission on my part - good point.

Fortunately, my real goal in posting this was to find out if "inside the first five lines" was valid and, if so, for whom/where it might be valid, so the poll is still fit for purpose.
May. 13th, 2011 05:59 pm (UTC)
Me too.
May. 13th, 2011 06:18 pm (UTC)
Me too.
May. 13th, 2011 06:42 pm (UTC)
Me too. :) But, to address the point at issue, I'd say 'inside' is a suitable limiting word in the circumstances, just not the preferable one.
May. 13th, 2011 08:28 pm (UTC)
May. 14th, 2011 10:02 am (UTC)
Me too.
May. 13th, 2011 06:44 pm (UTC)
I've never heard/seen "inside" used in that context (at least, not that I remember).
May. 13th, 2011 09:04 pm (UTC)
Me neither. Actually, both "inside" and "inside of" sounded seriously wrong (colloquial, maybe in a regional sense?) to me.

"In the first five lines of the poem" and "within the first five lines of the poem" have different connotations for me—"within" is more cumulative, whereas "in" is more strictly delimiting.

Interesting question!
May. 13th, 2011 07:15 pm (UTC)
Yeah, 'in' would be okay, but 'within' is also fine, if formal, and can I add my voice to those who've never heard or read 'inside of' in this context.
May. 13th, 2011 07:32 pm (UTC)
Yes - I voted 'within' before adding the comment above.
May. 13th, 2011 08:22 pm (UTC)
I'd only use "inside" in a situation such as a poem had been carved into stone with big letters and there was an object (not an event) tucked into one of the letters.

I'm trying hard, and unsuccessfully, to think of any situation where I would say "inside of" unless it was referring to the inner surface ("The inside of the box was black")
May. 14th, 2011 12:03 am (UTC)
It took me a couple hours, but I thought of one (but just one): I've heard "inside of an hour, [blahblahblah happened]".

I wouldn't really use "inside of" for anything but a physical object, though, either.
May. 14th, 2011 12:45 pm (UTC)
I only use 'inside of' prepositionally for Groucho Marx quotations.
May. 13th, 2011 08:39 pm (UTC)
In, or during. 'inside of' is a US construction and it's the Germanic influence. Inside just seems weird to me.
May. 14th, 2011 02:46 am (UTC)
+1 "In" would be the received usage for me.
May. 14th, 2011 03:16 am (UTC)
For "in," moi aussi.
May. 14th, 2011 01:56 pm (UTC)
My first thought was that I obviously read the wrong sort of poems as I wouldn't expect an event to happen at all.
May. 16th, 2011 01:27 am (UTC)
My answer
is influenced by the hour (2 am), and the Swedish options of inom/inuti. I often think things sound correct if they're in the right order or words in Swedish or English, even if it's said in the opposite language, unless I think about it specifically.
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