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Poll #2: Counting worlds

Which of the following statements is most true for you? (Note: Europe *includes* the British Isles for the sake of this poll.)

I am from Europe & "First World" IS synonymous with "Old World"
2(2.2%)
I am from Europe & "First World" is NOT synonymous with "Old World"
54(60.7%)
I am NOT from Europe & "First World" IS synonymous with "Old World"
0(0.0%)
I am NOT from Europe & "First World" is NOT synonymous with "Old World"
33(37.1%)


Feel free to say you're from Europe if you feel living there for a while/being raised by at least one European relative had a major effect on your relevant use of language.

Apropos of a couple comments by la_marquise_de_ on jimhines's lj.
The lazy use of 'First World' throws everything on Europe. You guys over that side of the Atlantic are the New World. And while I know that many people forget this -- and the whole world counting thing is deeply, deeply flawed and patronising and I dislike it hugely -- every once in a while I get British about it and find myself muttering 'Own your own issues, don't just blame us over here' at USians on the internets.

and
But to Europeans, it looks like us, rather than you, because here, you're the New World (2nd World), we're the Old or First World.

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steer
Jul. 21st, 2011 12:48 pm (UTC)
I never hear "first world" much like other people. For me "old world" implies europe, and maybe parts of asia. "new world" definitely implies the americas.

Insipired by this I went to look for the origins of "third world" which is not what I thought. Nowadays we tend to see it as "developing nation".
the_alchemist
Jul. 21st, 2011 01:20 pm (UTC)
I think I see 'Old World' basically as 'parts of the world that were known about by European people in the ancient world', so it includes North Africa as well as all of Europe, and much of Asia. The stuff shown on maps like this one basically.

'New World', I see as just the Americas and Oceania.

I'm not sure where the rest of Asia and Africa stand. I don't think I see them either as New World or as Old World.
steer
Jul. 21st, 2011 01:23 pm (UTC)
I think your definition of old world is probably better and more in keeping with common use than mine so I shall change. :-)