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Thunder

It's threatening to storm. The thunder's been busy rumbling and it's darkly overcast. Hmm. Do I really need to go to school this afternoon to run errands? I know I ought to go ake the copies and bind the thesis (I figure, it's done now, what's the hurry? Anyways, I've had latin and birthday present shopping to do lately), as well as pick up the present for C. I left at school. It would be an easy afternoon's set of errands if it didn't bode pouring rain.

I don't know why the people on the radio think weather of 30 degrees for the coming weekend will be "perfect". When it's that warm around here, there's almost inevitably smog.

Correctional note about the strike: It's the outdoor city workers who're striking. The indoor workers have a strike deadline of Saturday. (And, incidentally, the city library workers have one of July 4th).

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sioneva
Jun. 27th, 2002 09:06 am (UTC)
here's a question for you on the subject of latin, namely, I have to learn it (medieval art and all). do you have any good recommendations for how to get started? I figure I'd better start sooner rather than later...
owlfish
Jun. 27th, 2002 02:09 pm (UTC)
It depends on what your goals are in learning latin, and if you want to learn Medieval or Classical latin - they're rather different, in the way that medieval and modern French are rather different from each other. It also depends on how strong you are at learning languages on your own. I'm absymal at it, and thus rely on courses.

If all you need are some materials to work with, Wheelock's Latin Grammar book is the way lots of people - including myself - began. It has plenty of excercises to work through and a correction key for many of them at the end. For straightforward, overwhelming amounts of raw grammar, Charles Bennet's Latin Grammar book is pretty good.

But if you really want to learn medieval latin, there are a number of particular places at which do courses in it, including summer courses at Notre Dame and, of course, the University of Toronto. I regularly run across brochures and posters for more courses, sessions, and workshops on learning medieval latin if you're interested in working through it that way.

Once you have the basics of grammar down (whether you acquire it through a classical or medieval class doesn't much matter when it comes down to the absolute basics), you might want to work through one of the major readers or reading series to get practice in.

Like any language, if you really want to get it down, the more reinforcement the better. If you have more questions, I'd be happy to try answering them, or I can pass them on to friends who are currently teaching the summer medieval Lating course here.
sioneva
Jun. 27th, 2002 02:36 pm (UTC)
I need medieval latin (and am thinking about the medieval studies or art history programs at the university of toronto)...for the former, latin is an absolute necessity. For the latter, it'll be an absolute necessity if I end up working on manuscripts the way I'd like to. I'm just going for the absolute basics right now, though, so I'll look up the latin grammar book...can't afford to go to Notre Dame or the University of Toronto at the moment!
owlfish
Jun. 27th, 2002 02:54 pm (UTC)
Toronto's a good program, and if you come in on PhD track (yes, even if you're only going to do an MA and have no real intention of continuing), you'll be fully funded, under the new, one-year-old guarantee. If you're not part of the small golden cohort, however, you're at the mercy of what you can afford, are willing to take out in loans, or can win in the way of other awards. (I just don't know that much about the Notre Dame program which is why I'm not saying more)

One of the women in Latin this past year is in the Art History program. If you're curious, I can put you in touch with her.

As for the Centre for Medieval Studies, latin is the be-all and end-all of the commonality the students have in common. Although you're free to do take classes however you choose, many history students only take history, and many language students only take languages, but everyone takes latin. It's a good bonding experience. Although it helps coming into the program with some background in Latin and makes it much, much easier to complete the MA in one year, there are plenty of people who arrive here with no latin background to speak of, and there is a beginning latin class that's offered in addition to the others - and people going through it do regularly still pass the MA latin exam at the end of the year.

Speaking of which, there are a relatively large number of Smithies here doing medieval things of various sorts (1 in history department, 2 at the Centre, 1 in History of Science).
haggisthesecond
Jun. 27th, 2002 02:46 pm (UTC)
I learned in high school from the Cambridge Latin series. Haven't kept it up but I do still remember the basics 11 years on, so it must have been decent. I think if you start only with a hardcore grammar text you might find it pretty heavy going. Eheu!
owlfish
Jun. 27th, 2002 03:20 pm (UTC)
I've heard good things about the Cambridge Latin series too. but never used them. I have at least volumes 2 & 3 (maybe one as well?) lying around - a friend was getting rid of books and you never know when another latin book might come in handy.

And it's true, a hardcore grammar book isn't the way to learn a language - but once you've gotten started, they're useful to have as a reference. Still, not worth worrying about one until you've been working on it a while.
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