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ewtikins
Jul. 19th, 2006 04:45 pm (UTC)
I miss the frozen lemonade as well. Also, I was very confused when I learned that anyone actually buys apple juice and orange juice in cartons, having grown up with the frozen concentrated stuff.

I think it used to be possible to buy small tins of orange juice concentrate at Sainbury's but this was back in 1999 and I haven't really checked since. I don't really drink huge amounts of juice.

One thing I like to do in this weather is chop up fruit into cubes, freeze it, and use it for smoothies as and when needed. It's much more convenient than keeping the fruit in the refrigerator, but it does require a blender that can handle actually-frozen things.
owlfish
Jul. 19th, 2006 05:03 pm (UTC)
And smoothies require owning a blender of any sort in the first place, which I don't. Given my smoothie compulsions, you'd think I would. I'll take advantage of your suggestion some day when I do own one though!

None of the local grocery stores are terribly good for a full range of offerings. I stopped by a big Sainsbury's near Victoria Station the other week and coveted it.

I've been through a quart-or-so of juice (from cartons) today and a fair many mugs of water. So thirsty.
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lazyknight
Jul. 19th, 2006 05:03 pm (UTC)
"As much as it's easier and tastier to squeeze a few[...]"

Is there a missing "than" somewhere in that sentence? I'm confused as to *which* is easier or tastier... (sorry, been reviewing documents this afternoon)

I keep a couple of small bottles of lime juice concentrate (as opposed to lime cordial) in my fridge that I tend to use for drinking rather than cooking purposes -- a couple of good hefty dashes of it into some nicely chilled water is quite refreshing...
owlfish
Jul. 19th, 2006 05:30 pm (UTC)
As much as it's easier and tastier to squeeze a few lemons and stir in sugar and water, I also miss North American-style frozen insta-drinks, especially NA-style lemonade.

As much as it's easier and tastier to squeeze a few lemons and stir in sugar and water than to let a can soften for a few minutes, measure out the right amounts of water, and stir until it's melted and blended, I also miss North American-style frozen insta-drinks, especially NA-style lemonade.

Lime or lemon concentrate is a good idea for long-term storage of drinklike things. Cordial's way too sweet when what I want is "real" lemonade.
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larkvi
Jul. 19th, 2006 05:13 pm (UTC)
I am getting the sense that the person who is ddefending ordering bottled water is just a snobby jerk--it certainly comes across in the comments. Paying for water in areas with high-quality tap is one of the stupidest modern trends, a huge environmental waste (energy consumed in bottling, packing, shipping, sales) that marks one as more interested in conspicuous consumption than actual quality.

Anyways, I drink up to two quarts of water per meal, so I don't feel obligated to buy astronomically priced fashion-water in order to stay hydrated. And given the generally indifferent quality of wine which is being overcharged for, the restaurants rarely make that a much more attractive solutions. One wonders if the original poster understands the concept of a siscount event, and the fact that it is not mandatory for the restaurants to participate in it.

Did you receive the card I sent a few weeks ago?
tammabanana
Jul. 19th, 2006 05:25 pm (UTC)
She does sound like an elitist jerk, doesn't she? She doesn't seem to get that "declining to pay any business any money for something you don't even want" isn't the same thing as "being cheapass".
owlfish
Jul. 19th, 2006 05:27 pm (UTC)
A card! How exciting! No, it hasn't arrived yet.

As someone who regularly buys bottles of water while travelling around - even around the city for the day - I do try to make a point of buying the brand of water which has travelled the least distance. Of course, I often prioritize a screw top lid over squeeze bottles regardless of origins, since I've had too many leaky bottles of water flood bags before.

In most restaurants, I order tap water - except when in France or Italy, which both have deeply ingrained cultural hangups about sticking with bottled water, at home and at restaurants, for all drinking needs. It's hard to fight the system.

It never occurred to me that someone who ordered tap water could be thought a cheapskate until I read that post.
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whatifoundthere
Jul. 19th, 2006 07:02 pm (UTC)
I happen to know the poster, and she's not a snobby jerk at all. I also happen to know what Toronto tap water tastes like. If I were a water-drinker, which I'm not, I'd always get bottled (or at least filtered) in that city. Elsewhere, I suppose it's a different story.

I don't agree with everything lilactime says in that post, but a lot of it made sense to me. If I want tea or dessert with my meal, I don't want to have to beg for it. It's just good form for the waitstaff to offer. And if you're parking your butt in a restaurant seat for two or three hours, it's polite to order something while you sit there. That doesn't mean you need to feel guilty about not ordering a drink or a salad if you're in a hurry or whatever; nobody is saying that you have to respond to up-selling. It's just that if a server brings me the bill when I don't feel done, I'm not going to stop her and order something else; I'll just leave, and we both lose. What's snobbish about that?
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a_d_medievalist
Jul. 19th, 2006 05:14 pm (UTC)
I'm not on the f-list for toronto_eats, so I'll post my own thoughts on the water thing here --
I dunno ... I go for the food, and I order what I want/what I can afford, figuring in a hefty tip. And I often prefer to drink tap water, not because of the price, but because I'm just not in the mood for anything else and don't really like the bubbly stuff.

I've worked in restaurants for close to 15 years -- it's only this year I realized I don't need to renew my server's permits. I've got friends who have worked in restaurants for much longer. I can agree with most of what you're saying but #2 is just bullshit. The server's job is to make my experience good -- not the reverse. If a server can't pull his or her head out of his or her ass and give good service, no matter what, then the customer is not to blame. I'm not saying customers have a right to be assholes, but the burden is on the server and the restaurant, not the other way around. There is a reason it's called the service industry.
owlfish
Jul. 19th, 2006 05:34 pm (UTC)
I usually figure that bottled still vs. bottled sparkling vs. tap is mostly a matter of taste preferences. This argument would be more convincing if places selling bottled water went further out of their way to specify brand. It was partially silly, partially utterly charming, when the Royal York Hotel in Toronto started providing a whole bottled water menu. Insanity for the distance the water travels, but charming because it deals with the whole reason for ordering bottled water in the first place for me, taste.
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pfy
Jul. 19th, 2006 06:52 pm (UTC)
I must try making a cold version of ewtikins' maple syrup lemon drink. I have only had it hot before. It is delicious.

Of course it's acceptable to order tap water at a restaurant (at least in the UK; I can't comment on customs in other countries). Not everybody wants alcohol/caffeine/sugar/fizz/whatever, and charging extortionate amounts for plain water simply because it came out of a particular hole in the ground is a despicable practice. If a business can't make a decent profit on whatever I'm buying from them, then that's a problem with their business, and I am not obliged to buy other things I don't want just to make up for it. If any restaurant dared to give me poor service because I did not order the highest-profit items from their menu, they would lose their tip, my goodwill, and all my future custom. And I would make sure as many other people as possible knew what kind of service they could expect there. Happily, I have never had such a thing happen.

Most of the other points in the post were reasonable, though.
owlfish
Jul. 20th, 2006 09:50 am (UTC)
And I've only had her maple syrup lemon drink cold before - so good! I'll try it hot - but not in this weather.

The argument over tipping is partially confused in this discussion by the multiple attitudes towards tipping which the commenters in my LJ have - tipping is, for better or worse, necessary in Canada and the US in a way that it's generally not in the UK.
realtan_dannan
Jul. 20th, 2006 08:47 am (UTC)
English lemonade and pimms is just wrong (unless you have a huge source of apple mint in nextdoor's garden). I go for carbonated mineral water or ginger beer.

Yum.
owlfish
Jul. 20th, 2006 09:51 am (UTC)
Pimms and English lemonade is really growing on me, although it could well be improved by the addition of fresh mint. My mint plant is looking pathetic right now, but not so much so that I couldn't top up a glass of drink from it.
sioneva
Jul. 20th, 2006 01:57 pm (UTC)
I miss American frozen lemonade-in-cans too, especially because in addition to being easy, you'd get a bit of slush on the top if you mixed it really quickly with really cold water, so it was like a tasty icy treat on top of being thirst-quenching!

I miss lemonade so. 7-Up is NOT lemonade!
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